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Old snapsoid favorite...Girls with guns!

Keep looking Grim

I searched for 'Young girls with weapons' and 'arab girls with guns' and all I got were Israeli women, NSFW pix and those pix Oldballs posted :/

>>22672 That's fucking insane. His and her 50 cal.

>>22646 Touche' Grim! He forgot to introduce his sisters.

>>22644 >>22646 Well, that's one solution. Arm the kids.

>>22644 vs

OK. If you find a solution let me know. Lets move on.

>>22599 Goodgrief, I appreciate your opinions. But I respectfully disagree with everything you said here.

>>22349..."you just want to make it easier for them...just say it like it is"..
I never said that and up to that point in the various comments it wasn't even considered. Then you attacked me with that statement and it got my goat.
You turned my example that almost as many murders not using guns occur also when the information I cited does. You called me dishonest in 22532 when I had just given correct info in 22365 that talked about other means of murder.
I am alarmed of mass gun killings in the U.S. (not involving fully automatic rifles) and the next day everyone wants to ban them. They miss the point entirely.
There is no solution whatsoever in stopping crazy people from doing what they do and the common public are mislead by the media and government into believing there is.
I don't like being mislead by a bunch of people that just want my vote.

>>22466 That's a good one! I see those family decals everywhere!

>>22593 Goodgrief, goodgrief! I am a lot of things, but I'm certainly not a mind reader. I am more than happy to issue an apology if I have personally offended you in this thread. But I don't see where I've done that. If you care to point it out, that'll be great. Making references and dropping hints is not ideal. Please post the quote where I said something hurtful directly at, to or about you and I will issue that apology. Thank you

>>22589 Never said the boys were crazy. The POINT of the opening thread was the askance comment I made about looking to Obama for answers. Then the news media jumps on it and the next day everyone is talking about banning fully automatic weapons. That's what the thread was originally about.>>22318 is where I followed up on this thought. Guess you missed that. I'm not hurt on your opinion about smoking..I made feference to what did get me...you missed that also...I give up. We don't disagree on that much but you missed that too...I give up again.

>>22590 I am ALWAYS happiest talking things out and then if it still doesn't work, let's maybe kill each other. ;)

And I'm totally happy when someone is passionate about something. But if you're going to dish it, best be prepared to eat some of it, too.

>>22588 You are sneaky like a fox with that comment Vis.

>>22565 To your point about the problem being crazy people, I just think that's dead wrong. The two fifth grade boys who plotted to kill a girl (which opened this thread) are not crazy. One boy was just tired of being bullied. He wanted to kill someone because he was fed up.

That's what Americans do. They take the easy way out, blame others and solve their problems through violence, both at home and abroad. I think it's shameful behavior and clinging to guns (and other destructive devices) is not an appropriate solution.

>>22565 Goodgrief, my personal opinion about smoking is simply my opinion. If you choose to be hurt by my opinion, I can't really do anything about that except say I'm sorry my opinion bothers you. Some of your opinions bother me, but I still like you and am not offended. So what am I missing?

I like everyone here, though I disagree wholeheartedly with some of their opinions.

It's like someone going on facebook and calling everyone who voted for Obama a moron, but then being offended when someone calls him a moron in return. That makes no sense to me.

moar!

Still the best theft deterrent

Now Skeeter, I don't want any trouble.

We don't take kindly to your kind round here!

I'm really getting frustrated here, Vis. There are fewer than 10 of us commenting on this site and none of us should say hurtful things to one another to arouse anger in the other. Yes, I smoke and it is pitiful. Do you do things that should be pitied?
The FBI report was to show how many murders that DIDN'T involve guns and all this hype of the news media was a mis-direction of the basic problem which is crazy people. The use of a baseball bat was just an example, nothing else, and an example if guns didn't exist the crazies would find another way.
#1. Yes
#2. It's easier with less chance to be disarmed. Never claimed otherwise
#3. The sentence structure you used>>22349 (I don't want to make anyone do anything)
#4. Adam Lanza has Asperger's Syndrom (he's crazy) and crazy people commit cowardly acts.
#5. What does this have to do with anything.
#6. Blame the news media for that. They had you believe guns were going to be seized by Uncle Sam. I didn't rush out and purchase a weapon and could have cared less that the American public was so easily duped by the news media.
#7. Didn't know that; shows just how crazy Lanza was.
#8. No. They are nuts though.
#9. The planes flew into the buildings and the news said the pirates had box cutters and took over the pilot's seat. That's all I know. Why is this question here?

>>22532 I'll answer in my best Murican

#1 acknowledged

#2 I don't need to get out of my truck

#3 what the fucks puzzled?

#4 Fuck Lanza

#5 Fuck yeah! I smoke the best home grown!

#6 I felt hard

#7 shiiit, somebody need to aim better

#8 YES, BUT THEY NEVER WILL, I'LL KILL THEM TILL THEY DEAD.

#9 Pa said it was them cell phones

>>22531 "They are for murders only for 2010".

That's dishonest. They are for murders only for 2010 using a pistol. They are not total firearm murders in 2010.

Goodgrief, I answered your questions honestly. Will you answer mine?

#1 Will you acknowledge there are far greater firearm-related murders than what you claim?

#2 If a bat is going to get the job done, why do you need a gun?

#3 Why are you puzzled that I would say a gun is an efficient weapon?

#4 Do you believe Lanza is a coward?

#5 Are you a smoker?

#6 How did you feel when you heard there were record gun sales after the Sandy Oak Shooting? ("December set a record for the most criminal background checks of the type performed for gun purchases at 2.2 million, a 58.6 percent increase over last year’s number." source - http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2013/01/12/gun-sales-hit-record-high.html)

#7 Were you aware some of those kids who were massacred had 11+ bullets in them?

#8 Do you feel the government is going to try to take away your guns? Any of them?

#9 Do you agree box cutters did not take down the planes on 9/11?

I scanned all comments but too much to read and answer. My figures come from the FBI and not wikipedia. They are for murders only for 2010.
and Vis.. you put words in my mouth which I haven't claimed or said.

all we need is love

>>22500 I didn't serve. That's my point. Goodgrief, or an attacker coming at me with a baseball bat, would not know my history.

Now that he does, however, I can still guarantee I have a fighting chance at de-batting him.

>>22503 Actually, this is the solution. Crazy isn't it? :D

Maybe this is all we need then..

>>22487 So when/where did you serve?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJwpHWqNbkQ

"In 2005, 75% of the 10,100 homicides committed using firearms in the United States were committed using handguns, compared to 4% with rifles, 5% with shotguns, and the rest with unspecified firearms.

"The likelihood that a death will result is significantly increased when either the victim or the attacker has a firearm. For example, the mortality rate for gunshot wounds to the heart is 84%, compared to 30% for people who sustain stab wounds to the heart.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States

No mention of baseball bat deaths, goodgrief, unfortunately. ;) But again, come at me with a baseball bat instead of cowering behind a gun. That's the point. Why do you need a gun if a bat will do the job? Because the gun is efficient.

>>22368 Goodgrief is cherry picking stats to prove his point, but he's only posting numbers for "handguns", which is quite silly, as our conversation here engulfs an array of firearms.

2 paragraphs down from the wikipedia article goodgrief pulled the 6009 number, for pistols:

"In 2010, there were 19,392 firearm-related suicide deaths, and 11,078 firearm-related homicide deaths in the United States."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States


>>22365 To your main point then, goodgrief, if we have all these other "weapons" laying around us, why are so many people hugging guns? Because they're efficient at getting a job done. Lanza would agree. Some of those children had over 11 bullets in them and you and others want to defend unlimited rounds and clips? Again, that's fine for this discussion. Just be honest about it.


>>22397 Oldballs, you know very well that box cutters didn't take down those planes. The threat of a bomb is what kept the passengers quiet. They were also told the plane was being returned to an airport.

And cigarettes would be banned, in my world. They serve zero purpose in a person's life. They are a sign of weakness and I pity the person who clings to them. I feel great pity for those clinging to their guns as well.

My choice for firearms....stylish

adequate magazine size

Outlaw Cigarettes, they are pretty deadly.

Fanning the flames

>>22365 source?

Crime in the United States, 2010, was compiled from data submitted by more than 18,000 city, county, university and college, state, tribal, and federal law enforcement agencies from around the nation. It contains information on the number of reported murders and nonnegligent manslaughters, forcible rapes, robberies, aggravated assaults, burglaries, larceny-thefts, motor vehicle thefts, and arsons. Highlights include the following:

- total number of crimes reported: 10,329,135 (1,246,248 violent crimes and 9,082,887 property crimes);
- most common violent crime: aggravated assault (62.5 percent of all violent crimes during 2010);
- top three crimes for which law enforcement reported arrests: drug abuse violations (1,638,846), driving while intoxicated (1,412,223), and larceny-theft (1,271,410);
- most common property crime: larceny-theft (68.2 percent of all property crimes during 2010);
- total number of arrests, excluding traffic violations: 13,120,947, including 552,077 for violent crimes and 1,643,962 for property crimes the number of arrests does not reflect (the number of individuals arrested as some persons may have been arrested morethan once);
- most common characteristics of arrestees: 74.5 percent were male, and 69.4 percent were white;
- prevalence of firearms use in crimes: 67.5 percent of reported murders, 41.4 percent of reported robberies, and 20.6 percent of aggravated assaults;
- total losses for victims of property crimes, excluding arsons: an estimated $15.7 billion.

source: http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/law-enforcement-bulletin/january-2012/crime-data

>>22364 Yes, guns.
The original intent of this post and my following comment >>22318 was to show that fully automatic assault rifles being removed from the murder equation would solve nothing. They account for less than one percent of deaths. Here are FBI figures for the year of 2010:
Murders involving hand guns..6009
involving knives..1842
involving blunt objects..600
involving other weapon..2157
One can see there were 4599 cases other than guns.
So I do think using Jack the Ripper is fitting (no matter what the year) and your retort>>22349 "Making it more efficient" has me puzzled when killings with guns are almost equaled by other means.

>>22362 Are you going to define "weapon" for me? A sharp pencil is a weapon.

If "weapon" means "anything that could be used to inflict harm on another person", the answer is yes. If "weapon" means guns, the answer is still yes.

#4 Are weapons available to children?
#5 Are weapons available to felons?
#5 Are weapons available to crazy people?

All of the above do not include fully automatic assault weapons.

>>22358
#2
I don't believe civilians need to own fully automatic weapons.

#3
If a civilian needs to own a semi-automatic pistol, sobeit, but in my world, it would have limitations (holds 6-7 rounds only in a non-removable mag to minimize easy reloading).

Question #2. I'm against fully automatic weapons. Are you?
#3. Are you against semi-automatic hand guns?

>>22351 Absolutely not.

Let's go back to the basic question so I can understand what your thinking is. Are you in favor of the government coming into your home and confiscating ALL guns?

>>22349 totally agree

I say again, goodgrief - come at me, one on one, with a baseball bat. I'll have a fighting chance. You don't know what combat skills I have do you? Do you know where I served in the military? All you know is that a bullet from your assault weapon will keep YOU safe, from a distance, like a coward, while you put down your target(s).

Jack the Ripper is also a poor comparison, I'm afraid. Comparing what a serial killer did in the 1890's to what Lanza did in modern times is a stretch.

Crazy people will find a way of killing people, we agree. You just want to make it easier for them, and more efficient. That's fine, just say it like it is.

You'd have no chance against a baseball bat, Vis. Think hard on the matter. No chance whatsoever. I guess you missed the comparison in that even if there were no guns around at all the crazy people would still find a way. Jack the Ripper didn't have a gun.

Come at me with a baseball bat, goodgrief. I have a fighting chance of walking away and turning the bat on you.

Come at me with an assault weapon, goodgrief. I'll be dead from a safe distance and you will be remembered as a coward.

I'm not sure how you can really justify comparing the two things. One is specifically designed to kill people. Lots of them.

>>22332 I saw that also!

>>22327 Amazing! I just watched a WWII documentary on Saturday that mentioned that whole blades of grass comment.

Soon after the bombing of Pearl Harbor, Yamamoto was known to have said "Invasion of the United States would be a tragic mistake for the ownership of guns are as blades of grass". We do have a surly attitude and lack manners to a certain extent, which angers other nations, BUT other nations look to us for helping them out also. Gotta take the good with the bad.

While I'm not a fan of guns I can appreciate the the high gun crime problem in the USA is down to societies view and use of guns and not actually gun ownership. It's the "Fuck Yeah!" attitude that so many Americans have I see as the basis of the gun crime issue.

>>22321 "We've watched this crap go on since crap had a beginning and nothing's changed"
Great line!!!
I agree with the saber rattling! I know there's no way a bill like that could ever pass, but it's just really ignorant to even propose such a bill!
And I just saw on the news a security gaurd used an AR-15 to thwart a robbery at a small business! Let's see them try to pick THAT apart!

>>22319 You and I know confiscation of guns is NOT the answer. Crazies will just switch to baseball bats. It's all a giant 'shell game' so the polititions can protect their phony-balony jobs. When voting time rolls around they can boast "I passed this law or voted for this law to stop whatever". We've watched this crap go on since crap had a beginning and nothing's changed. Saber-rattling is all that it is.

Try the golf course! And it's "AL-obama"!
Did anyone hear that the idiots in Missouri are trying to pass a bill that will allow them to go to your homes, and confiscate your assault weapons?! They would never make it up my driveway alive!

>>22312 Yes it still has to be made into law. I posted this because of the recent discussions on gun shootings. One madman starts shooting people and everyone wants machine guns banned. The crux of the matter is the madman himself and not the weapon. Shit, a baseball bat could work...does Congress ban the game of baseball? So does Congress ban crazy people? Answer? There is no answer.

Crazy! :(

where were their parents?

Even if your president wants change, it's still has to pass the hill, right?